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Dr-David-Banner

Living In A World Of Robots

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That is exactly how I've felt today (and most of the time). It may sound a bit strange but I can't see people any other way than as programmed, functional robots. Added to that I find no depth. For a start, they're absorbed in stuff like work, family and routine. And due to the fact they think the same way and act the same, they relate to each other and all resonate at the same frequency. Sometimes too I wonder if their feelings are orientated to their own needs.
I would like to see these people do something different. How about arriving at work singing Hari Krishna? Taking up TM? Doing Kata at lunch break? Running naked down the street? Just something "unprogrammed".
Or could it be my other theory hits more home? That is the cause of the "Robot Syndrome" is the emergence of a peasant society. This is when working class society downgrades to a lower level. Peasants were always people who worked just to survive and with few rights. They had little exposure to education so life is essentially wrapped up in work, family and often religion (and that includes football). You could say that peasants sort of lost any sense of curiosity or ability to question and instead simply exist. Peasant societies were typical of poor countries like Ecuador or Guatemala. In these locations you won't get many conversations on Greek philosophy or molecular biology. It's more likely to be family, fiesta and Church.

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Some people I've met seem like robots essentially. They really have no real personality or identity and they just walk around, doing stuff and when you try to talk to them they don't respond with any kind of emotion and when they do seemingly show emotion it doesn't make any sense. I mean the way they react isn't how you'd react normally.

Biological machines. Isn't that how Tesla saw people?

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I agree, I find a lot of people boring and superficial. Everything brought down to the lowest common denominator. I've always been drawn to people who are a bit different, people who think in a different way, or see things from a different angle. I think that people are like that because they value social conformity outbove everything else, and are too afraid to do anything that might be considered different or 'weird'. So people don't say what they really think, and instead echo the prevailing majority opinion. "Opinions are provided, the future predecided".

 

Lyrics:

Growing up it all seems so one-sided
Opinions all provided
The future pre-decided
Detached and subdivided
In the mass production zone
Nowhere is the dreamer or the misfit so alone
 
In the high school halls
In the shopping malls
Conform or be cast out

 

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It's been leading to depression. I have to make an effort to focus on something else so last night I just did radio engineering theory as usual. The snag is being in isolation isn't healthy because part of life is being understood. The majority can be understood as they all think the same but most of all they create families too. Only when and if those families break up does the anxiety emerge. Anyway, the ability to think the same and co-operate in tasks and daily routines is what creates the basic stability most people have. Plus, the lower working class society reduces from Sun and Mirror mentality to a near peasant class, the more isolated you become.
Consider too, everyone I met with a Phd is broke and struggling. I don't have a Phd but I met people who do and they tend to struggle. Yet being NT's at least they can still relate a bit.
I think if I lived in Tomsk where the educational level is higher it would be easier. As it is here I'm considering just avoiding people period and doing more project work.

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I find some people appear empty, unreal and hollow ... but mostly disingenuous and lacking direct honesty in communications.

The only robotic element is when they insist on following a prescribed role - which I personally don't like as it makes it impossible to connect with them.

Having said that, workers are under pressure not to be themselves and can lose their livelihood if they are too much of themselves (unprofessional) in work.

It requires a lot of patience interacting with people.

Most people seem to find their own tribes/subcultures/groups to belong to, but some remain lonely. 

Due to social anxieties, and concern over my own vulnerabilities, I seem to have missed out finding a live social tribe or subculture to belong to.

It would be nice to connect with people in my locality better, but things never quite click correctly. I think I'm probably viewed as an oddball.

It would be nice to go outside in public and be able to hang onto the same feelings of safety, security and arousal control I have inside.

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Tesla deduced the thought process is sort of collective. He saw it as stimulae and reaction. Have you noticed how simple plants developed a degree of thought? What happens if a fly lands on a Venus Fly Trap? It shuts on the fly. In a way it learned to respond. Now, if I wanted to get people on Asperclick to think the way I wanted them to think, I could throw out a stimulus. I could lie and say, "Really, women belong in the kitchen!" The response would be 95 per cent irritation and a counter statement. Generally, we tend to think the same way. People even take care to make statements they know others want to hear. Then they can be popular.
Even at academic level, people tend to flatter the other academics of high rank. So really most people just think the same, have the same ambitions (new car, a holiday in Ibiza), dress the same (designer jeans), and shun those who somehow rock their boat.
What pisses me off is I don't fit in with any of it. I always get strange looks. I noticed people expect set answers and responses. They seem unable to function or know what to do if you deviate from the preset script. They use familiar words such as "Duck", smile when required and notice if you don't do the same. It's like living in Westworld.
I wish the people I know would surprise me. Take up yoga or come to work with a sitar. Ask me if I like a certain chord sequence (as opposed to usual gossip). How about they sprint naked down the street just to break from the socialised programming.
The truth is it makes you depressed. There is no depth or soul to be found. As John Lennon sang, "Doesn't have a point of view, knows not where he's going to, isn't he a bit like you and me?"

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7 hours ago, Dr-David-Banner said:

Now, if I wanted to get people on Asperclick to think the way I wanted them to think, I could throw out a stimulus. I could lie and say, "Really, women belong in the kitchen!" The response would be 95 per cent irritation and a counter statement.

Such a statement would irritate people, and for good reason. People don't want to be assigned gender roles, or stereotyped. People want to have choices about what they want in life, to be a work-at-home mother, or to pursue a career, and to restrict those choices may be a violation of human rights. But the point is that for some behaviours and opinions, there is a good, logical and valid reason, and if the reason is good, then there is nothing wrong with people believing or doing those things. People want to have a job and work, because they need money. People then want to have a car, because they want to get to work easily, they need it for work, they want to take their kids for school in (relative) safety, or to go on weekend trips, etc. People aspire to a better quality of life, and a car might offer that. People don't necessarily want a car because that's what everyone else is doing (though this may be the case), people often have genuine, practical reasons why they aspire to or want things.

What I don't get is why people want things just because other people have them. An example is ties. Why do people wear ties? The serve no practical purpose whatsoever, and are totally unnecessary. Yet, if someone turns up at a job interview without one, they may not get the job because of it. Or these torn jeans with great big holes in the knees that have become so popular. Why on Earth would someone want to buy a pair of jeans with holes in the knees?

What is comes down to is that people should examine more the reason why they are doing something, want something or have a certain opinion about something. Do they want this because they need it, it is useful and improves their quality of life, or because they are slaves to public opinion and fashion? People need to apply more critical judgement in their choices.

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Another thing that irks me is when people agree to opinions and agree to things, not because that is what they really believe, but because that is what their social groups says,and these opinions are all very general and superficial, for example: everybody says that they don't like Trump. And that's fine, if you have read about Trump, know his policies and background and don't agree with them. But some people don't like Trump not because they are informed about his policies and his person, but because every else says that they don't like him. And then, when you ask the what they don't like Trump, they don't know what to say. Or they say that he is racist, but can't back up this statement with evidence, Something like this also happens with Che Guevara. People think he's really cool and wear T-shirts with his face on them, but if you ask them to tell you about him, they know very little. If you ask them where Che Guevara was from, they will say "Cuba".

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I would agree that all too often people adopt opinions and fashions without proper consideration. This is particularly true on politics where most people have very little knowledge and interest and are all too easily swept up by prevailing opinion, whether that be in society as a whole or their own social group. We're seeing this very much with the British election and it can become a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's one thing to come to an opinion or make a decision based on proper consideration of good evidence - even if others don't agree with it - and another to unthinkingly do what others are doing. I understand why sometimes people feel forced into conformity because they can be made to feel outsiders for taking a different route but there are many others who make conformist decisions without any pressure at all and when they could take a different path. 

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I didn't conform and cast myself out on purpose.. now - I'm the envy of most NTs. Not because I do what I want when I want but because I am in complete control of my own idea.

most others are part of somebody else's idea so they are asleep. 

I saw the 'sleepers' watch with envy last Tuesday as I loaded up the van in the supermarket car park with boards on roof at the start of a mid week surf trip! Epic waves on Wednesday! 

 

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I guess the way I dealt with it in the past was just to see everyone else as purely stupid. Thick as shite - just follow the heard like sheep. 

I am the only swim teacher who teach the correct way - all the others are doing wrong - lol :D 

i mean how the heck can they say stuff like 'what a horrible world this is' etc etc.. 

This is IT.... and it's perfection 

if you don't feel it - then it's passing you by and your not getting onboard - or you're asleep. 

Thats what NTs do - chase the rainbow 

like donkeys chasing the carrot in the end of the stick.. hahaha - stoooopid 

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Btw 

we are the next stage of human evolution 😀

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Maybe a little obvious, but as someone with AS living in an NT world I very often find it strange and peculiar in ways which frankly I don't understand.

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I just figured out the degree to which science advancement was really natural evolution, involving the tiniest fraction of the population. For example, the first step to internet was morse code, based on CW. CW was not modulated transmission. It was just a carrier wave keyed on and off. It was a step to the text message. Only key individuals like Armstrong, Tesla, Popov and Marconi created speech broadcast. This was not something worked out in classrooms or at universities.
Also most of the big discoveries were made by chance or observation.
Conclusion? We're in the global mess we are today because the Marconis, Einsteins and Darwins of the world aren't at all in charge. Their ideas were simply made available to the population. Yet to a large degree the science was misused or not regulated. So it's clear the imbalance between scientific evolution and social evolution is way out of balance. We totally lack qualified global leaders and instead wind up with those who are rich or showmen. Or even those the masses follow because they believe in God.
Really humans are still not that evolved. It literally took thousands of years to progress from the wheel and cart to the very first airplane. Plus, the Wright brothers who invented flight were just cycle mechanics with big imagination. And if flight hadn't been invented then and there, it would have been discovered either sooner or later. Not in the class, more than likely.

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As promised before it really is "Escape From The Planet Of The Robots". Since April I worked every day on my alternative lifestyle boat. First time last week I had running water and a working tap. Electric I did last year so can plug in my DVD players or keyboard. Next I'm fitting solar panels. The idea is to reduce living costs to the minimum. For storage of bikes and tools I will build a shed.
Part of the boat adaptation I got from holiday caravaning in Wales in the 70's. Back then the caravans only had gas lights. A girl next to me has a PHd and she's also preparing to sort of drop out, although she has a job.

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On ‎20‎-‎5‎-‎2017 at 9:31 AM, ....... said:

Btw 

we are the next stage of human evolution 😀

No.

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Depends how you see autism. Being socially disadvantaged can lead to (1) more time to follow your interest and (2) isolation from prevailing, collective thought.
One thing I noticed about NT's is they function more physically than I do and they prefer to make things and do things. I find I'm more theoretical so I think a lot or read or do maths. Lately I've been forced to physically construct stuff as well but I noticed you don't think as deep when you work. For sure, if I had social skills I'd have less time to think about things because life would take priority.

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6 hours ago, Peridot said:

No.

Why not?? 

This idea has been circulating in my head for well over 10 years and I have it worked out.. its simply obvious. 

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Any Thing or type is or could be next stage of evolution.. just depends on the type of mass extinction event we have! 

If we have a winter created by eruption of three or more super volcanos at once and the earth is covered with caustic clouds of gas almost down to floor level - which 'type' of people will go onto to be the future of the human race? 

The tallest one's? Err no! 

It will be the dwarfs of the world. They'll be our future!

It's not rocket science 

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1 hour ago, ....... said:

Why not?? 

This idea has been circulating in my head for well over 10 years and I have it worked out.. its simply obvious. 

If anything, we're more likely to get crippling social anxiety and not reproduce, effectively removing ourselves from the gene-pool

 

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This is actually true but doesn't just apply to autists. It's very strange. Less intelligent people breed far more. Very smart people breed less. In my old uni department most of the PHd's weren't married.Geniuses are often unable to have families as they may even be homeless. Why then? Why would the less intelligent drones be seemingly favoured by natural selection?
Answer is simple. It doesn't matter. If a genius arrives and is short lived, his or her ideas tend to be made available to the masses. Tesla was ridiculed by society but how we have domestic electricity using his AC.
I read the most stupid article the other day. It was by a PHd who joined in with the claim that countries who don't allow massive immigration will die out. Such as Russia. Governments just took this claim as gospel but it's nonsense. What it really states is (1) western nationalities will inevitably decline in population. As a consequence, make a new population from immigrants who reproduce more. And here's the conclusion. Supposing Russia really did simply die out due to the so-called falling population? Well, if the French become displaced by immigrants they'll die out too. After all, the Romans died out and had centuries of immigration.
People like Merkel who blindly accepted these ideas (with no scientific proof) are screwing up their countries. They accept progress purely in economic terms with reproduction judged to be the chief virtue of evolution.

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One line of argument is natural selection is actually keeping humanity regressed. I mean, I noticed without a doubt the masses will follow the stupidest leaders (like Bush or Trump). In companies I've seen scores of conceited bullies in management but with no real talent behind them.
It seems clear to me too when women select a partner their main need is to have a family. Psychologists say they tend to choose intelligent partners but not those who are maybe unemployed with 2 PHd's. I have seen quite attractive women go for the most superficial, materialistic but rich partners. If not that, they definitely need men who can do well in the working environment and be popular to get promotion and so on.

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What you have described isn't evolution its luck, evolution is evolving to better cope and living in ones natural habitat / lifestyle of the species for the betterment of the species, hence humans evolved by socializing into societies to work together to achieve and survive like we have. So having a social order one of the most important characteristics of human societies is regression not evolution.

Not that I'm saying anything bad about ourselves, evolution by its nature is flawed.  

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3 hours ago, Luke said:

If anything, we're more likely to get crippling social anxiety and not reproduce, effectively removing ourselves from the gene-pool

 

I have another theory - my mind only really works at optimum in dangerous situations. 

tsunami - you'd be better off being near me. I can perform tasks that most people wouldn't be able to because of blind panic! 

Thats only one situation where asd is a mutation (?) that's an advantage in disasters. 

Not every aspie is cripplied with anxiety in front of people. 

Indeed - I'm at my best also when under the pressure of talking to large groups. 

Not in my younger days however. 

 

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I think education may be a big portion of the robot thing. In most classes you learn to be passive. To learn passively, listen passively, work passively and think passively. Daydreaming is condemned time and time again, as this waste of time that indicates a bleak future for a lazy person. Yet studies show the brain is extraordinarily active during "daydreaming". It's when ideas are born. But we're not taught to have ideas, we're taught to sit still, be quiet and wait til it's over. And so that's what they do. They do it til it's over. 

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