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Dr-David-Banner

Aspergers In Russia

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On 04/09/2017 at 9:30 PM, Dr-David-Banner said:

Hmnnmn, the mothers certainly don't pull punches. Some want the discussions to switch to English. One of the mothers has a high functioning autistic son who evidently constructs sentences like me. So she thought I was her son and had joined to "infiltrate" for fun. I don't doubt my Russian will be a bit odd for them but I need to practise too!! I think the best option is a 50/50 mix. Odd thing is the mothers speak weird trendy Russian you'd use in real life. Mine is derived from books on Perestroika where I picked up old words and use of participles (bookish format). Funny though how her AS son shares my sentence structure. Maybe he reads a lot of old books and listens poorly to spoken language.

Your sentence structure looks just like loads of others I know off different forums. The suspected aspires who I've also met in person. Actually - I see almost all aspie sentences and paragraphs etc, as similar. 

Reckon I can tell an aspie just from the written.

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They are very into diagnosis specifics. They're not sure if the kids can be accurately diagnosed at 13. Of course I'm not a psychologist. I can apply autism traits to myself and draw conclusions but I'm not sure how it is with other people. Besides I think what's important is management of the condition. The diagnosis is hard to pin down. It would be easier to just print a list of the likely symptoms.

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Russian mothers of autistic kids seem to have been left speechless. As an example of empathy I described an occasion after my grandmother passed away. The family was packing up lots of stuff as it had been a rented house. Upstairs I recall I found a newspaper dated 1963 or around. As I was working I switched on a CD player and it was fast, dance music. Well, my aunt reacted in a hurt manner and stated this wasn't the time for loud music. Of course, then it dawned on me and I realised my gran was gone and people were in mourning. Years later I asked myself why didn't I know at the time there are right and wrong ways to act at certain times. I use this example as the reality is my gran always has a special place within me and the apparent lack of empathy wasn't quite as it seemed. I think it was more the feelings not tuned in somehow to others.
Also, in the case where schizoid personality was suggested, I looked it up and schizoid types aren't usually interested in sex and are low on feelings. I can actually have sexual encounters although former partners noticed the lack of any feeling. For me sex was just a kind of workout scenario and the feeling part is absent. These days too I just don't bother with sex at all. So in many ways I do fit Schizoid type as well as AS.

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By the way, I have in my time read carefully the profiles of some criminals diagnosed with stuff like schizophrenia, MPD, BPD or aspects of autism. I do not agree with the many psychologists (Baron Cohen included) who connected Asperger empathy issues as a possible first stage to disregard of human life (in psychotics). You can have different empathy mechanisms but a strong moral compass. I don't even kill spiders when I'm painting. I always say the badly adjusted and distrusted loner is a long way off the presumed criminal profile. Some of the worst killers were married men with jobs and popular.

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I think maybe the site was very quiet as is the case these days with most forums. Being English, I guess I inspired a surge of interest from sleeping members. And they all love to practise their English. One Moscow female yet again broke the forum rules and used English. She wrote:
"Have you ever seen the documentary ''make me normal" about the biggest school in Britain for ASD (РАС)? "
In Russian PAC means AS. I can see at some point the women using English will land me in the shit with the moderators. Those mums that don't know English will at some point complain as they don't follow the threads. Added to that, my Russian is an overly complex grammatical nightmare that gave some headaches.

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I'm the same - I act how I feel is appropriate and not what others feel at anytime. They'll be asleep anyway so - feck'em. That's why NT people mourn. It's regret that they've missed the moment with the death or dying of a person. 

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They feel guilt because they e been self absorbed over the years and now the person is dead! 

Its the original meaning of being a Sinner. 

The Sin is the distance measured from the bulls eye to where the arrow hits the target. The further away from the bullseye the bigger the sin. So unless you're fully in the present/bullseye, life is being wasted and that's a Sin! ?

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NT or Allistic's have got it seriously wrong and that's a simple fact. They're tricked out of their own lives/present moment with the carrot and the donky situation or the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. It's that attitude that has caused their problems too. Denial that they're wrong. Trying to be like them - wrong in other words is futile. 

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Who cares about their infantile social convention! They can keep it for the monkey brains.

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So far it hasn't been too bad but the initial onset of curiosity has died down. It's just not every day you get an English autist dropping in on a Russian forum. I also don't know if Russian language study is as popular as in the late 1990's when I was there. Plus with the very poor international relations due to Crimea, there may now be far fewer American and English students over there studying Russian. In fact the faculty where I was sent in 1992 now has Indian students coming instead. So it must seem odd. Why would an English guy want to learn Russian rather than German or Dutch or an EU language? It tends to be fading in the Baltics and Georgia but may be taught more in Iraq, Iran and Syria. I will take it easy and give them time to maybe get used to my appearance there.

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I found out the site is very regimented with strict rules. Some of the women have had bans of a few weeks. This may be just for not using quote marks. It seems a bit policed by moderators - the main one based in Moscow. When the women speak amongst themselves, the language is harder for me to follow as it's street Russian. Maybe I could encourage a "perestroika" and get them to loosen up a bit. The thing about Russia is it has a strong base on hierarchy and authority and collective enterprise. Even academics have to be part of an institution or association. The women struggle to understand how their kids can be high functioning but destructive and prone to rages.

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Erm just so people know there is a difference between Psychotics and Psychopaths . A Psychotic does bad things because he or she is delusional. A psychopath does bad things because they enjoy them! 

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I raised the topic of "синдром старой ведьмы" old hag syndrome. Who knows, maybe my tendencies to probe the supernatural and unknown will get me into trouble. They have a system of warnings and bans. Amazingly not using specific quotes when retyping material can provoke a warning and then a ban. I just think that's the wrong approach when it's easier to just tell someone please don't do such and such. or just say sorry if need be. Still, I imagine Russian society is still a bit authoritarian. Usually the mothers post about how they get into trouble over their kids at school and are asked to attend meetings at the school, due to the tantrums and rages that may erupt.
There is not enough information on AS - too much attention deficit order material.
I found this pic of Old Hag on a Russian site.

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I appear to be the only male on that site. The others are all female with autistic children.
I tend to process my posts there to try and reduce grammar mistakes. I may feed my constructions into the search engine to see if they bounce back correct.
Fortunately online resources for Russian are first rate since many Russians learn English too.
The mistake would be to use Google translate rather than try to make genuine sentences first. Back in the nineties we had to just go to a library and use volume dictionaries. We'd be given a text to try and translate to the foreign language. Today there is much more available. You can use search engines to kick out examples and then make a sentence.
I wonder though if translators are now a thing of the past? Maybe online translators will become adequate for messages between companies and, plus, most Russians, Hungarians or Chinese can speak English. Years ago you would employ linguists or even contact a translation agency.
Needless to say the autistic kids can speak English OK.

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9 hours ago, Dr-David-Banner said:

I may feed my constructions into the search engine to see if they bounce back correct.

I do this, too. I never use Google Translate.

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The moderator is stunned as I shared I recently started to dream in maths. It's never happened before. I'd been struggling with some theory till late at night, rested and watched a DVD then went to bed. Then I started to go deep into a dream state but my brain started to compute complex questions and answers. Thinking ability was enhanced. While fast asleep I came to understand how an AC RF wave can have its negative amplitudes restored through the use of phase, diodes and reconverting DC pulses back to a sine wave in a kind of antiphase. This is already known but I'd never have understood it awake. While asleep it was just all clearer and the truth is I made leaps ahead due to this. The Russian moderator told me there was a Russian chemistry inventor who literally dreamed his theories. So this experience was taken seriously. I am now a firm believer that sleep has more to offer than just rest.

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4 hours ago, Dr-David-Banner said:

The moderator is stunned as I shared I recently started to dream in maths. It's never happened before. I'd been struggling with some theory till late at night, rested and watched a DVD then went to bed. Then I started to go deep into a dream state but my brain started to compute complex questions and answers. Thinking ability was enhanced. While fast asleep I came to understand how an AC RF wave can have its negative amplitudes restored through the use of phase, diodes and reconverting DC pulses back to a sine wave in a kind of antiphase. This is already known but I'd never have understood it awake. While asleep it was just all clearer and the truth is I made leaps ahead due to this. The Russian moderator told me there was a Russian chemistry inventor who literally dreamed his theories. So this experience was taken seriously. I am now a firm believer that sleep has more to offer than just rest.

It's well documented that sleep helps you to solve problems or learn new skills. It's the time when your brain processes new information, makes new connections, etc. That's where the expression "sleep on it" comes from.

I wonder if you report what happens on this forum on the Russian one, in the same way as you report here what happens on the Russian one. Perhaps you even created a thread there about this site.

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Not really. My posts on the Russian forum are shorter and take longer to do. I still need to double check grammar. The forum posts by the others use vocabulary I often have to look up. Slang or idioms.

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The main diagnosis we adults come under is:
"синдром дефицита внимания и гиперактивности: СДВГ"
Literally syndrome of attention deficit and hyperactivity. This is too shallow for me to fit with as I'm only mentally hyperactive. I do have attention issues but only with personal interaction.
People are looking at treatments and drugs for disorders and I sense they need a reference point of what's normal. They want their kids to function well enough to marry and have a career.
I figure I need to be very subtle and low key for now. In time they will find new ideas and interpretations. They also need an AS and HFA sub-forum but I think they'll work it out.

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How very very odd!! I spent ages trying to get myself an avatar pic of Mr Spock on the Russian site. It failed. Several days later and I find the moderator now has the same avatar (or Mr Spock doing a "live long and prosper" gesture. I can only guess I somehow uploaded the pic to the site archives and it was then spotted and used by the Mod.
How do I explain it in Russian? I doubt I can. I guess she'll just have to have the avatar I actually wanted. Still she's pleasant enough so I'll have to think of another avatar.
At least they heard of Star Trek in Russia.
 

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I've had a bit of a blitz on Russian - to take my mind of losing my dog recently. A girl set my phone up with bilingual keyboards so I can do searches and just type directly with Russian letters. I'm still on the Russian forum but it feels a bit strange as there's some kind of diplomatic rant going on between London and Moscow. In such cases, being a minority always leaves you open to someone getting something off his (or her) chest. I've made no mention of the diplomatic issues and am just assuming most of us on that site realise politicians don't represent the values of everyday people who are open to each others culture and language.
I don't know much about the poison scandal but assume it's a set-up of some kind. Given it's so easy for a foreign power to "bump off" an enemy agent, I find it highly improbable a method would be used that leads right back to your backyard door. Still, so far, nobody has commented or asked me to express any view. Of course, females always tend to be a bit more open (in my view) and the site I'm on is mostly Russian females. They are all quite friendly as well. Those who actually teach their language are also used to students from poorer countries so I guess they find it OK to have someone English involved.

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