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  2. I found it was all very black and white in the USSR where, even in a communist economy, autistic children or adults existed. It doesn't sound very flattering but they had so-called factories and centres for "neurotics". These were probably children who left special schools. Those with a history. Often they did skilled work but.apart from mainstream society. The downside was autism in the USSR was thought of as a physical.disorder caused by possibly pre-natal fever or even contamination. So drugs were supplied. It was definitely recognised though as a factor in society. I often think had I lived in the.USSR for sure I would have been removed from State school. Then examined by a psychiatrist and classed as neurotic. At that point my black sense of humour kicks in. What would happen if you filled in a job application and used the term "a neurotic" instead of A.S.? My guess is it would leave them floundering.
  3. Aeolienne

    New job

    Not my cup of tea, but each to their own. The dark side of Dubai
  4. Dr-David-Banner

    Do I Have Aspergers or Am I Just Introverted?

    I find it easier to start with childhood. According to my research the first indicator is infant speech. There is either delay or premature speech. With delay, the speech will be non communicative. Autism sets in earlier then and with speech delay. Less obvious autism starts later. By aged two in both cases clear issues should arise. These follow the patterns described by Leo Kanner and Hans Asperger but there are also essays by Van.Krevelin you can google. I read that with speech delay the physical symptoms will be more pronounced such as motor issues, repetitive stims, lack of emotional response. The issue though is so complex nobody has ever sourced the actual cause.
  5. This is true. Many of the problems autistic people face in employment are because employers either do not know the worker has autism (sometimes the worker doesn't know it either) or they have inaccurate and even prejudiced views about it. Such views may mean that if autism is declared on an application the autistic candidate doesn't even get an interview or gets one simply for appearances' sake so the employer can boast about how "enlightened" they are in giving interviews with no real intention of offering a job. When autism isn't declared (or not known about by the person) the candidate often fails at the interview stage as they are considered not to have made a "good impression" as interviews are so much about social skills and "impression management". Even if this hurdle is passed the autistic worker can then have the sorts of problems you have outlined. Some autistic workers have good, even very successful, careers but too many have difficult experiences. There are some supportive, very well-informed employers but problems still arise. Managers may be aware that a worker is autistic and want to support them but colleagues may not be aware or may have negative attitudes. An autistic worker may not want colleagues to know of their condition but it is hard to be successful at work without supportive co-workers. Sometimes the colleagues are supportive and it is managers who cause the problems. A final issue is that of service users or customers. A worker may have excellent, very supportive and well-informed managers and colleagues but have difficulties with those who use the service. Awareness and positive attitudes about autism can be even less common in the wider population who use a service than among the workforce. While it may be possible and helpful for someone with autism to mention this to service users in other cases it is not practical or advisable. Employers can try to work around this so autistic workers are less likely to have problems with service users but it is not easy to do. Knowledge of autism can certainly be used against individuals with autism but on the whole it offers their best chance of having good experience in employment.
  6. The question of employment in relation to HFA (for want of a modern term) for me is tricky. Personally I'm simply not employable - period. Over many years I was only able to hold onto one job and, in honesty, this was at a time when they couldn't get anyone else. Add to that, I was often reported by customers till eventually it came to a head. This led to increased anger and resentment I am now glad I dealt with. I mean, I came to see why normal people found me hard to deal with (unemotional, vacant and very robotic). Conclusion is simple: Businesses are totally not equipped to.begin to address autism. One thing is for them to pronounce "tolerance" but the truth is most employers are unaware. Pretty much all my autistic friends were unemployable. Both were well above average qualified but too weird to be accepted in a firm. One did manage to do odd jobs for clients in gardens although she had two academic degrees - one in geology. This may sound pessimistic on my part and a bit doom and gloom but collective employment and autism are tough to match. It can work "only" if the employer knows what's involved exactly. This is problems with verbal instructions, anxiety or anger, the fact a small percentage of co-workers may be suspicious or stand-offish. Anither issue is autists themselves simply aren't wired for team work. They perform better as individuals in roundabout ways. I wish I could say my self education and awareness could fix the employment issue but it changed little. Without genuine awareness there are zero steps forward. Neither do the public even half understand what high functioning autism is - many view it as a social stamp or others feel it is somehow fictional. We are a long way off from really getting to grips with autism and autism rights and social inclusion.
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  8. Dr-David-Banner

    Defending Hans Asperger

    It's been suggested Hans Asperger may have been on the spectrum himself. Whatever the case, he seemed to notice some overall pattern with regard to his patients. First and foremost, Asperger had a lot of questions he needed to resolve. I believe what he found matches my own conclusions, based on every.angle I looked at: Autistics process information differently. It's not that they're smarter or superior to neurotypical people but just "different". An autistic person may perform below average as a student but then somehow see things from a new angle. For this to happen there will be a level of isolation and not being connected to a group at a psychological level. The isolation.causes bottled up frustration and often depressive symptoms. Yet the mind will continue to process information differently. Such people are frequently dismissed as "stupid" because at some levels they perform badly. They are often accused of having simple things explained but failing to understand or even pay attention. This is what Asperger saw close at hand. What fascinated him though was some kids were solving textbook problems in a different way. Sometimes they used a less efficient method than the one established by teachers but often the method worked. We all know by now comparing autism to genius is a bit of a stereotype that's been hyped up over two decades. I think what Asperger was interested in was the "different" processing mechanism and why it happened. Whereas pretty much all other psychiatrists viewed autists as "mentally disadvantaged". Now it seems even Lorna Wing had a pretty orthodox view of autism as a disorder. In the USSR the opinion was more or less that autists had suffered biological infection of the brain (possible in some cases) but then drugs were pushed to "normalise" patients. The huge point Asperger made.though was this: The ideal of the "perfect" human being is a mirage. Disorders are likely part of an evolutionary mechanism. Both physical and mental. You have to take the good with the bad.
  9. Dr-David-Banner

    Defending Hans Asperger

    In the USSR psychiatrists noted the autistic children with speech delay grew up with more motor impairment. They tended to be less intellectual. The other autistic children who had early speech tended to have less motor clumsiness. Some Soviet psychiatrists called group one as Childhood Autism and group two Autistic Psychopathy (pathological avoidant). What I like to stress though is Asperger's kids don't cover all of the autistic spectrum. I had a very autistic best friend who did very well at school, whereas Asperger's kids were unteachable in normal school. What connected Asperger's kids I think was the resistance to conventional teaching. I think if we list all the symptoms described by Asperger we still get one (partly limited but useful).diagnosis. The friend I refer to funnily enough had far better classroom attention span than me but stimmed much more. He also had very poor stance and some clumsiness.
  10. Ace

    Defending Hans Asperger

    Interesting to read these symptoms as most of them describe me pretty well but particularly #1 doesn't at all. I noticed I seem to have very quick reflexes (although coordination might not be great).
  11. Dr-David-Banner

    Defending Hans Asperger

    Here are the symptoms described by Asperger: (1) Motor impairment and physical clumsiness. Poor spatial navigation (hard to catch a ball). Scrawly handwriting. (2) Stimming and repetitive movements. Solitary withdrawel from a group or collective. (3) Low emotional response and lack of eye contact. Lack of facial expression, monotone voice. Unusual use of vocabulary in some cases. Swearing. (4) Resistance to collective educational processes and education based on any personal interaction. (5) Abstractism and tending to view people as "objects" without deeper connection (psychopathy, pathological avoidance). (6)Sensitivity to noise, taste and touch. (7) Anger and bottled up emotion. (8) Obsessive interests in later life as a development of repetitive behaviour. (10) Heightened sense of "self" and tendency to process information inwardly or more independently from group influences. Finding patterns in given areas others don't notice. (11)Definite problems being excluded or bullied due to odd behaviourisms (Asperger's patients had required protection walking home from school). I think over the decades, this actual representation of Asperger's has faded so the idea became established it concerns "mild autism". Yet psychiatrists were often shocked after reading Asperger's analysis. It was all in all pretty serious childhood autism and not biased towards those with "superimposed, psychiatric illnesses" as Lorna Wing claimed. The only comorbid factors I can recall mentioned by Asperger was in reference to a thyroid irregularity and excessive weight gain. Personally I'd like to see the old Asperger "Syndrome" substituted by Asperger's Autism in its original format (and with emphasis on its positive implications).
  12. Dr-David-Banner

    Defending Hans Asperger

    Just been reading a tiny bit of Lorna Wing's paper (the part referenced to Hans Asperger). For those who may not know, it was Lorna Wing who created the "Asperger Syndrome" diagnosis around 1981. To do this she borrowed from the studies of both Leo Kanner and Hans Asperger. I notice with interest that Wing dismisses Asperger's positive evaluation about autistic intelligence when relevant. She states her own autistic child patients were probably rote-learning and that Asperger could show no proof of his conclusions. As I recall what Asperger stated was "some" of his patients showed striking ability in abstract thought. Not all of them.He also points out his patients often had at least one intellectual (eccentric) parent. This.I found tends to be confirmed in USSR patient histories. Above all he (Asperger) explains carefully that standardised school tests don't work very well at all with children who are very individualistic. However, my major disagreement with Lorna Wing's whole take on Asperger is she seems to dismiss many of the symptoms listed as "co-morbid, superimposed psychiatric illnesses". Important here to note Lorna Wing considered Asperger's case studies as extreme cases. Not true. I find pretty much "all" the cases studies match similar profiles of patients in the USSR clinics (Viktor Kagan describes these around 1975). What research in Austria, Germany and the USSR suggested was autism can have both biological, hereditary, psychologically reactive or other varied causes.
  13. I watched part of the first one and its very good. I hadn't noticed your references to AA and II until I saw them on the programme. Katy has replied to at least one comment I made on her channel and I would like to have gone to Sara's Autism Pride event in Chester on Saturday but it clashes with an event that's not been to the UK in years. Frustrating as AP is normally in June when I'm too full of hayfever.
  14. If you're in the UK you may want to watch this documentary in which Richard and his son Jaco who has autism travel to find out the experiences of autistic people and some of the initiatives developed to give them more support. This includes going to the USA where one of their visits is to Sesame Street to find out about Julia, a recently introduced autistic character: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m00081yt/richard-and-jaco-take-on-the-world An earlier documentary more centred on Jaco is still available but only until this evening (UK time): https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08l684l/richard-and-jaco-life-with-autism A couple of autistic people briefly featured in the new documentary have YouTube channels that you may want to check out if you haven't already seen them: Agony Autie https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCN9fwImPnx16e8-eThlKCWQ invisible i https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2_a05o1pW4fr9SzlyMv8OA
  15. Dr-David-Banner

    Defending Hans Asperger

    This is not the priority of my work but I am involved, nevertheless, for a reason. Probably just like Dr Asperger I don't find autism interesting within its own narrow confines. What does fascinate me is how to "tap into" different ways of processing information more effectively and how with autism you can view subjects away from the constraints of mass opinion and influence. My view is the majority of people use only 20 per cent or less actual analytical power each day in daily activity. Most of this is based around work activities, social interaction and social media. Someone who can't take active part in the cycle of work, relationships, socialising (and so on) may learn how to compensate in other ways. This is what interested Asperger. Personally i see autism as an initial steep negative cycle where you are behind normal people in all spheres from personal interaction to functional ability. This downward cycle lasted for me till maybe 21 or around but then started to feebly go into a positive cycle. A large portion of this was just catching up. Much later comes an ability to function far more individually without reliance on systems or pecking orders or approval of others. You can develop your own morals, beliefs and ideas without blindly following the pack. Ultimately you can max your own potential by simply redirecting your energy away from less important demands - such as striving to be popular and accepted. Personally I figure Asperger had bigger ideas than that in as much as he appeared to be interested in the subconscious mind and potential. "Everbody" else just sees psychological deviation and disorder as if normality is an absolute virtue.
  16. Dr-David-Banner

    Intelligence

    These days what I see is that autistic symptoms have a certain connection to abstract science even if two case scenarios vary a lot. A scientist I figure may develop autistic thinking patterns with high intelligence to start with. A far lower functioning autist may develop elite scientific thinking ability through obsessive interest. Take Perelman, he shows all the pattern of schizoid avoidance disorder as an adult, whereas in childhood he was viewed as another hard-working maths student. Nobody is so sure whether Perelman is just deep and, cranky or really does have disorder.
  17. Dr-David-Banner

    Intelligence

    But did he have autism? What I notice is so many elite scientists really did qiite well at school. Much is made of Einstein flunking his electrical engineering exam but the truth is he was more interested in theoretical physics. At school Einstein was not a bad student all in all. I found too that Grigory Perelman was a great student before he went solo and made his discovery. By contrast all Asperger's kids did dreadfully at school. They were often very smart but not suited to classroom tuition. At an educated guess I would say Einstein had a dash of autism but not the full dose.
  18. Aeolienne

    Intelligence

    No, he was a patent agent (or whatever you call an employee of the Swiss Patent Office). Albert Einstein - biography from MacTutor
  19. Considering my previous experience in the civil service I'm entitled to be cynical.
  20. Ace

    ethics of conversation?

    I would take her up on the tickets. if someone is really willing to fly me somewhere they must actually care for you or wants to see you. About Mike pence though, I highly doubt anyone would let something like electroshock therapy go through, not with todays more progressive/accepting attitude towards stuff like that. Maybe if you were in the military it might be a different story but as a common citizen, its very unlikely. but I do agree this country is getting more wack recently. not to get political here but I personally vote republican but I'm not even sure I want Trump again, or anyone else I've seen running for that matter. I just find it so bizzare that so many people got so torn apart when Trump won and I'm sure it would've been the same if Hillary won. I personally almost don't care who is in office as long as my daily life isn't miserable because of them, which so far no president has had that much influence on it.
  21. I feel the same way about "government" making use of neurodiversity as I do about corporations doing it. I will not justify myself as a potential resource for neurotypicals. That is not the purpose of my existence. What I want to see is neurodivergent cooperative enterprises and elected officials. If NT's will consent to work with us as equals, they are free to do so. But I don't see the purpose of an NT boss with hordes of ND employees, other than bragging about us for "diversity points" while paying us less than we're worth.
  22. Dr-David-Banner

    Intelligence

    Spoke to a girl last week who has a ten month old baby and expecting another. She has decided to not send her children to school but to arrange home tutors. She told me that regular schools are now pretty hopeless. Also her own experience was out of control, large classes and mediocre teachers. I think she is talking a lot of sense. Realistically education has been falling (and failing kids) over the last two decades. I did terribly myself at school although in my day standards were higher. Mine was a rough, working classes school but the school did its best and kept an acceptable level. It probably sounds a bit pompous but neurotypicals depend on environment a lot and education can be subject to environment. In the 1960s many schools had fewer class sizes and exams were pretty demanding. I definitely notice people spoke better with wider range of vocabulary. A huge factor I think was there were only 3 TV channels and people did lots more college courses such as languages.
  23. Today I am pretty upbeat as I invented another mathematical formula. The snag is where.HFA is concerned those with the condition tend to be driven around very obscure interests. My work involves HAM Radio which pretty much died out by the 1990s. I have met the odd person with AS or HFA and they likewise have obscure interests. The problem then is employment revolves in.this country around banking, finance or stuff like building or welding. All my spectrum friends (about three) were great at geology or maths but the only employment tended to be house-sitting or gardening (which I do to unwind). I did pick up accountancy as a byproduct of my maths but would dislike being employed that way. It is a good idea but the snag is the economy is very rigid and based on profit.
  24. Dr-David-Banner

    Defending Hans Asperger

    To save confusion I ought to point out that Asperger dealt with a narrower selection of austic kids than seemingly exist on a broader spectrum. Some autistic children have been known to do O.K.at regular school but in Asperger's case "all" shared poor performance at school. They were sent for that reason to be helped. People who read Asperger for the first time are often shocked these were not geeky nerds at all but problematic failures who showed potential in less obvious ways. Later there was more classification and groupings that covered a wider range of behaviour traits.
  25. Dr-David-Banner

    Defending Hans Asperger

    In my opinion, I would have to describe Asperger as a genius in his field of research. To date I've read lots and lots of essays by expert psychiatrists and neurologists but Asperger just stands out a mile by his totally different take on the subject and the fact he was broadening his approach to effectively maximise information processing. Pretty much "all" other experts in this field just look at autism in its own confined boundaries and how to treat it. There is no broadening of the field. For example the quotation here is spot on: "Their ability to study is significantly lowered . It is very difficult to teach them systematised processes". (i.e. organised, structured classes). "They are not wired up to be taught by others or a teacher." (Hans Asperger) Asperger had noticed his patients couldn't be "schooled" in the way that education normally depends upon some kind of emotional and personal interaction, hierarchy and social grouping. So he tried different methods and then found the results surpassed normal standards. As in quote: "School knowledge to the greater part depends upon 'exogenous factors'" (Hans Asperger). "Exogenous" = adjective, having an external cause or origin. Therefore, with Asperger's autism it is pointless to try and "teach" someone, expecting the individual is going to connect to any group or "connect" with the teacher because outward stimulate tends to be blocked out by "inward" thought processing (daydreaming, imagination and so on). More to the point, we don't "all" function well in groups or learn at the same rate or process information exactly the same. We may be thinking of something else while the teacher is giving a class. Now here below is the most amazing observation on autism I have ever read: "We wish to demonstrate that the reason behind the autistic childrens' deviation from normal standards is the breakdown in actual (physical) relationship with the world." (Hans Asperger) What he means here is a breakdown of "physical connection" with the world which personally I found takes place the more you make an alternative connection with the mind. All people are high-functioning biological robots who physically integrate with the world through physical projects. This sounds complicated but if you think about it knowledge can be broken down to applied and theoretical. Asperger's children viewed the world around them in a different way. They didn't interact with it normally. Here is what I learned from Asperger that helped me 1000,0000 times over any of his rivals (or detractors): Once you understand how to "manage" your thinking processes or work around your weaker points, you can accomplish whatever goal you choose, provided you make the right choices. To give an example, like most autists, I have this more dominant linguistic ability but I learned this linguistic skill isn't very strong in the applied sense. That is, I tend to struggle with oral communication and verbal communication but, on the other hand, have terrific eye for detail in spotting translation mistakes in movies or in print. So I tend to steer in a different direction and be guided by abstract approaches.
  26. Dr-David-Banner

    Defending Hans Asperger

    I found an interview with Steve Silberman where the interviewer (autism expert) remarks: "Asperger’s full name for our neurology was “autistic psychopathy” because our lower-than-neurotypical interest in social compliance was viewed as dangerous to the state." Asperger didn't invent this term which was used universally for decades. I think this point needs to be looked at as I tend to keep reading where psychiatrists, psychologists or autism groups trip up over the term. Asperger didn't invent the term "autistic psychopathy" and it's use was purely clinical. When the phenomenon of High Functioning Autism was outlined fully in the 1920s by a Russian-speaking Jewish clinician (female) by the name of Grunya Sukhareva, It's thought Asperger almost certainly read her essays. The condition, therefore, was first named in Russian language (and not German or English). The condition was fully outlined in the 1920s. https://jewishnews.com.ua/en/en-science/jewish-genius-grunya-sukhareva,-the-discoverer-of-child-autism " But Grunya herself did not use the term “autism” – she defined the illness as “schizoid psychopathy”, and later changed it to “autistic (pathological avoidance) psycopathy”. Grunya was the first to observe and write that these children had a paradoxical combination of high intellect and low level of motor skills." The actual term "psychopathy" appears to be formed from "psych" and possibly "pathology" (The word pathology refers to the study of disease in general, incorporating a wide range of bioscience research fields and medical practices). I think from around the end of the 1950s, the term itself developed a different meaning altogether. For example, the adjective "docile" in the 1940s was a term of endearment which meant "sweet" but by the 1970s "docile" was used as an insult. Below Suhareva at a young age.
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