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That's something that needs to be balanced isn't it. It's good to be able to work and achieve the challenges.

My support worker says you can make the condition worse by trying to do what clearly your unable to do and this could effect depression anxiety and behaviour so she is balancing these factors in how she is assisting me.

Do you find having a challenging job effects your moods and do you find the challenges causes you depression or anxiety in keeping up with NTs who don't have the limitations Aspergers patients have?

You mean leaves me mentally drained each day and reeling? Umm...yup

That would not have been my guess from just meeting you if I had not known before hand.

You were EXACTLY how I expected though your acer was a bit different I guess. 

But now you mention it.....what would have been your guess. You got me curious now. 

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Toran

ASD if you feel bad why do it, does that mean you are unbalanced?

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You were EXACTLY how I expected though your acer was a bit different I guess. 

But now you mention it.....what would have been your guess. You got me curious now. 

Tradesman maybe. But then I work amongst tradesmen so maybe that is what I expect?

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ASD if you feel bad why do it, does that mean you are unbalanced?

Has some great perks, like the people, like the money, worked worse places, on "a lances" its positives outweigh the negatives

Tradesman maybe. But then I work amongst tradesmen so maybe that is what I expect?

Oh ok. No that is a fair call.

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Has some great perks, like the people, like the money, worked worse places, on "a lances" its positives outweigh the negatives

Oh ok. No that is a fair call.

You appear to deal with things like an NT you don't have many traits that the rest of us have.

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I do not think you know many if any of my traits nor do I think you know what traits "us" have. Could be wrong and here is your moment to show me as being so. I know you have been building to this moment for a while. So I would like to hear it.

 

(Just so you know, if someone is on the spectrum and has a diagnosis, it means they have enough Autistic traits and clusters of different traits to varying degrees that impair them. That is in order to get a diagnosis, which I have. It is also a lifetime condition. No two people share the exact traits or same severity or impairment in any of these traits)

 

With that preamble out the way, here is your chance to tell me that "us" are all the same and "you" are different. That "Us"belong on this board and "you" that are different.....

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I do not think you know many if any of my traits nor do I think you know what traits "us" have. Could be wrong and here is your moment to show me as being so. I know you have been building to this moment for a while. So I would like to hear it.

 

(Just so you know, if someone is on the spectrum and has a diagnosis, it means they have enough Autistic traits and clusters of different traits to varying degrees that impair them. That is in order to get a diagnosis, which I have. It is also a lifetime condition. No two people share the exact traits or same severity or impairment in any of these traits)

 

With that preamble out the way, here is your chance to tell me that "us" are all the same and "you" are different. That "Us"belong on this board and "you" that are different.....

I don't build up to anything if I want to know something I ask. In one tread you say I am asking questions in another I'm building up to something.

I'm confused by that, I won't make any judgment without fact and seeing as I have no facts I can only go by your word as all of us do here.

You make the statement that i am different in what way am I different from anyone else here in your opinion?

I do understand my obsession with facts so if you state what you need to prove your theory then maybe you can have your answer.

I do understand that maybe you struggle in this type of debate like said before so don't feel you have to continue I won't mind at all if your tiring it's only a debate after all nothing major or important if you feel your ready there is no point in tiring yourself out. It's just my nature I can go on forever without stopping. I've been told this many times so for your sake I won't mind if you don't posted response and you don't feel like continuing.

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I don't build up to anything if I want to know something I ask. In one tread you say I am asking questions in another I'm building up to something.

I'm confused by that, I won't make any judgment without fact and seeing as I have no facts I can only go by your word as all of us do here.

You make the statement that i am different in what way am I different from anyone else here in your opinion?

I do understand my obsession with facts so if you state what you need to prove your theory then maybe you can have your answer.

I do understand that maybe you struggle in this type of debate like said before so don't feel you have to continue I won't mind at all if your tiring it's only a debate after all nothing major or important if you feel your ready there is no point in tiring yourself out. It's just my nature I can go on forever without stopping. I've been told this many times so for your sake I won't mind if you don't posted response and you don't feel like continuing.

I do not buy this. You are not JUST having debates with me. You are not just asking questions. Why on Earth are you pretending this is the case?

Honestly Terry. Tell me and the board REALLY what you are doing. 

 

You are obsessive with questions? That in itself may be right.....if it were the fact that the only one you are following around the forum like a little lamb and plying full of questions and making assertions on and baiting....is me. I mean IF it were true (and it may be) that you were obsessive about questions then why is it that you are not focussing this questioning on everyone. It is not evenly spread is it. It is pretty much focussed completely my way.

 

Actually you are so focussed on this that threads are being derailed and split because I post something inane and you targeted in and pick away at apart and have me explain every aspect of my thought process and belief about it. 

 

It is not debate. Debate requires opposing ideologies. So how you claim it is debate is beyond me. But then it is not all just about questions. 

 

"being very high profile as you claim"  This is not a question. This is an assertion I never made. I point of contention you generate to have me defend. 

 

"This is an open site you don't need to feel threatened in any way, people have problems with work and talk about them openly to share experiences and for mutual support. If you engaged in this you would be more integrated into the group. If your not comfortable with this its your perogative but if you hide in work and not feel able to integrate here you will be lonely and opinionated."

This is not a question nor a debating point.

Actually I do talk about my experiences with work and such and this implies rather blatantly that I do not share and I hide my nature and I am not open. Big claim, without merit. 

 

"A lot struggle to manage their work but you find the perfect job, your very very lucky ASD"

 

Everything I have had to endure, push through, stress over and all the horrible jobs I had to do out of necessity to pay the bills and support my children and all without support. Through times when I was critically ill, through times where I dreaded the thought of getting out of bed and fronting a job that was liable to be fired at because the learning curve too hard, the work unsuited and the staff unfriendly. Having to face interviews after interviews. No support. having to go to a city 3000kms away from my hometown to get better schooling for my boy and with no-one I knew here. All of this and slowly get my skills up. Having a stress induced heart attack at 37!  

 

And in all of this...I am a very, very lucky ASD? Well my oh my isn't that very condescending, condescending, condescending. It too is nothing to do with a question or a debating point. As noted above it is not true either. Looks kind of to me like I was having my experience judged, dismissed and written off in a condescending way. Bt maybe I am just a bit sensitive to be told my experiences amount to luck. 

 

When I asked Flanmaster in response to a statement he made about damnation we all must suffer, I asked "What Damnation must we suffer Flamaster" In comes Terry asking me what I was asking him??????

"Please explain your meaning"

 

 

THIS is an example of a question but what did he actually mean by this is anyone's guess. Asking me to explain an answer of a question that I was asking someone else???

 

There is a difference in debate and defending your intent they are not the same thing at all.

I and others respect your opinions you do not have to defend them. But debating them is the essence of free speech if you can't debate a point there would be no need for this site because nobody could say anything if it was different from another's view through fear of somebody accusing them of attacking them.

Debate is healthy and everybody learns from it and my belief is that is if you can't reason your point of view or back it up with facts you shouldn't become involved in debate because your points of view collapse very easily. 

I hope you can give Flanmaster comfort in that debate doesn't mean arguments and everybody involved is mature enough to know the difference here between debate and openly being horrible no matter what their feelings are.

 

I nearly choked. Whilst this looks great, I don't need to be told I can debate. I am fine and enjoying debate but as you see not much of the above was debate at all. It was pointed implications of who and what I was an what merit my being had. I do not need to be educated as to the benefits of them or what they are.....WTF???

 

The true irony is being asked to give comfort to Flanmaster by continuing the discourse after he begged us both (and Mike too presumably) to stop with continuing the discourse. Capital letters, heartfelt and a concern about the thread being locked. "Give him comfort? By doing the exact opposite to what he wanted? 

 

So now ....

 

You appear to deal with things like an NT you don't have many traits that the rest of us have.

 

OK. Who is "the rest of us"? Now that means either the rest of the members on the spectrum or the rest of us on the forum. Which out of these two claims can Terry HONESTLY speak for? Can he HONESTLY say that he knows what traits "the rest of us" have? Can he HONESTLY say that he knows the rest of us intimately enough to gauge to what degree they struggle and in which areas? Perhaps he is saying that he knows me and what traits and impairments I have and how I manage or don't and to what degree. Also how to quantifiably compare to every single person on the spectrum here....at best interpretation. 

 

Hell of a claim. If I did not know better, I would presume this had not a damn thing to do with debate or with asking questions.

 

It was about baiting. It was about making implicit rather than explicit attempts to portray me badly and make rather incorrect and sometimes rude assessments of my values, intents, character and state them as fact. This is what you feel, this is what you like, this aspect of you does not matter. 

 

So can we rationally say he knows not enough about me or others to assess what "the rest of us" (i.e. those who are not me) have as traits and to what degree and he knows less about mine. IF we can assess this as true then can we also say that he is showing me bias as not being the same as "the rest of us" something to follow around and harass in a way he doesn't with anyone else. A person to pry for information and then use this information to make rather inaccurate and baseless character portrayals for me to have to defend whilst in the guise of curiosity and debate? 

 

When quizzed, confusion reigns supreme....Sorry but it is rather blatant to me. Just cut to the chase Terry. 

You treat me differently and you consider me not part of this forum and in the "not like the rest of us" category because....

 

 

 

 
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Saveyourscissors

I am a Support Worker for children with Autism :) Amazing job!

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AutismUnrestricted

I work as a customer service and sales advisor for an oil company. This is the longest I've worked in any company, prior to that I lasted just close to a year in every other job. Since being diagnosed with AS this year and based on my GPs recommendation, I was allowed to return to work part time and my support worker gave all my colleagues Autism training and they have provided me with big partitions so its like I have my own private space when I'm there. I am coping much better now. I would still like to work from home ideally.

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