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Dr-David-Banner

I found this quote by Paul Cooijman:

"Personally I think Asperger and autism should not be treated as the same disorder and do deserve separate diagnoses."

I think it helps to define autism. Initially, I think it was used to denote being retarded, either in learning or in communication. I tend to view autism as "inward". It's looking at the world from within and reluctance to socialise or take part in group activity.
Whereas a lot of people "want" to socialise but just lack the mechanisms to do so. They don't get non verbal communication and lose friends regardless..
I find it easier to see myself just as "autistic" as I sort of withdraw into a solitary world. Process of information is likewise inward, not shared or gathered through classroom environment or exchange.
It could well be Cooijman has a point.

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On 10/13/2017 at 11:48 PM, Dr-David-Banner said:

I suspect very possibly I do not have AS simply because I don't fit the non language or speech impairment criteria. I do fit HFA but then again people with HFA aren't supposed to have the kind of dyspraxia and motor issues I have.

Did you have a speech delay as a child? Did you learn to speak at a later age than normal?

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Dr-David-Banner

"Did you have a speech delay as a child? Did you learn to speak at a later age than normal?"

There was definitely some reading issue that was pointed out by the school. There was a delay. I don't know about speech.
I finally did start to read and then read a lot of comic books. I became a decent reader but lagged in all other areas. I'm not sure whether this was purely due to the fact education was socially based or whether I was slow as well.
I do recall there was a feeling and fear I was abnormal and "not quite right".
It's never easy to define the diagnosis. Technically I'm disqualified from Asperger's due to the development and learning issues. Yet many psychologists argue reading and speech delays are not contrary to AS. Even more daunting is both AS and HFA are obsolete in diagnosis.
It does matter to me, though. The spanner in the works is there are criteria I fit closer to AS than HFA but the reading delay was a real concern at the school for a time.

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I can think of a few symptoms or odd traits where I differ from aspies I've known. I have poorer conversational skills although not through shyness. I don't have regular stims or emotional meltdowns - more extreme anger and frustration. Also disconnection and depersonalisation phases and mood changes. I have balance issues and may walk a bit wobbly on a bad day. I also have very low emotions and will only cry over animals. I seem to suffer sleep disorder and need a minimum of ten hours. As said before, most of my conception of the world is internalised, not lived in sharing with others.

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13 hours ago, Dr-David-Banner said:

I can think of a few symptoms or odd traits where I differ from aspies I've known. I have poorer conversational skills although not through shyness. I don't have regular stims or emotional meltdowns - more extreme anger and frustration. Also disconnection and depersonalisation phases and mood changes. I have balance issues and may walk a bit wobbly on a bad day. I also have very low emotions and will only cry over animals. I seem to suffer sleep disorder and need a minimum of ten hours. As said before, most of my conception of the world is internalised, not lived in sharing with others.

Yes, ok, but did you have a speech delay as a child? I'm asking you this because clinically, that is the only thing that separates (or used to separate) a diagnosis of Asperger's as opposed to autism, regardless of what other symptoms you may have. I has no significant speech delay, so I was diagnosed with Asperger's. Anyway, Asperger's is being scrapped and we are all being lumped under the umbrella of autism.

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It's very simple: if you had a speech delay as a child, you have autism. If you had no speech delay, you have Asperger's.

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Dr-David-Banner

An article by Tony Atwood is helpful:
" a child may receive a diagnosis of severe autism or High Functioning Autism at one point in their developmental history and Asperger's syndrome at a later stage."
The main distinction is if there's language delay and self-help issues (dressing, tying laces), it's autism. Later cognitive adjustment indicates high-functioning.
I do get extra points for memorising machines. To study and memorise bearings, bushings and even circlips is something I've often done (very autistic trait).
It would help me to find out more.
One more symptom I feel I have that's seldom mentioned anywhere. This is a deficiency in physical relation (and coordination to the brain). I noticed normal people transmit thought to activity. I see people working on a performance task (skilled or otherwise) and they fully concentrate. However I struggle to become active. I don't concentrate as well at physical work or may have tantrums. Yet if it's a graph, table, written information I can concentrate for ages. I also have sleep disorder and sleep a lot.

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I've not so much though of my autism as having backardness related till recently. Now, though, I can recall how a teacher once had to tie my shoe laces at school. There were severe ongoing problems with my learning processes except reading. I was a little slow learning to read but picked up thanks to comic books. The rest of it from woodwork to geography and especially maths was a non starter. Sports even worse.
Many psychologists feel Asperger Syndrome per se has no impact on early education. Others state Hans Asperger himself didn't make that distinction.
I definitely feel NT's easily recognise my autism yet not quite understanding that they do. One amazing feat I can pull off is to approach 3 or 2 NT's who are chatting and they don't notice my presence. Not a word is said or any pause in the conversation. I can then leave that group and still no reaction. I even have a theory on this because in all usual social interaction there is a reaction to "interlopers". Yet if, for example, a cat wanders up to a group of NT's who are talking,, do they respond, react, pet the cat? Why not?
On the theme of animals I relate to them (and they to me) much more than NT's. Lots of people on the spectrum love cats but for me I guess it's dogs I relate to (more so the wolf type breeds)



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This business about not being perceived by chatting NT groups has had me puzzled for a while. Neither do I think it's over exaggeration on my part. My female friends I've known for ages have also not altered their conversation if I appear. It sometimes pissed me off so I would often leave and go home without saying goodbye. They would then tell me later it was rude to just up and leave. This week 2 NT's told me I'd startled and almost upset them. They said they'd assumed they were alone, had looked to the side and just saw me right by them. They told me it felt like being crept upon stealthily but the truth is I just had strolled past on my way and paused to say "hello". There was no concept of creeping or tip-toeing. In fact my dog in such a case would just come up and make a fuss.
One thing that intrigues me is the subconscious. Communication doesn't just happen in the conscious sense. I used to think I got ignored due to lack of eye contact and poor feedback but I found that not to be true.

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