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"The sad truth is that family has a diagnosis (which is not 100% percent  accurate) and that's it. No help from health or educational system. All you can do is to find the therapy for your own money and in most of the cases to homeschool your kid."
This mother posted in English to sum up the situation for all of them. She explains that the problem of high functioning autistic children isn't fully catered to. I can only guess that maybe in Russia boys are supposed to "man up" and get on with life. Sure, if they're slow or low functioning there's understanding but social interaction handicaps are a new concept. I also guess Russia has decent private psychologists who will understand AS, HFA and the latest advances. However I suspect the old school psychologists will view AS as a "disorder".
There is hope. Here in the UK we had no diagnosis till about 1989. My psychologist was based at an outpatients psychiatry dep and I recall she explored "derealisation" as well as a hint at PSD and definitely depression. There was no AS or HFA as the German texts hadn't been translated. So, at least Russia has a decent internet resource to turn to with lots of websites.
I guess it would be good to try and help. I'll ask if Paul Cooijman's articles have been translated to Russian where they can access his material. He's written about Aspergers as well as gifted children and a fair bit of psychology. He also made the GAIA test and there's the Baron Kohen test as well.

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"France I've heard has very strange views on Autism. I remember on my year abroad being quite bewildered there."

I have certain impessions of France. I used to go through it on the Eurolines bus on the way to Spain. I recall we'd pass through Paris about 2.00 am. Bourdeaux would be around 14.00 pm. It was clear it was richer than Spain as a country. French was the main language at school and most schools had an exchange program.
"But I lost my work placement apparently for not fitting socially,"
I think I had definite problems teaching English in Spain. For maybe 3 years I survived but mainly because there were very few native English teachers. Also being a foreigner made the Spanish more inclined to overlook my defects. The big problem I have now is when I look back at all my jobs I can now see how AS and my other issues made it all so uphill. I got to the point where I feel my trying to just live and work as normal is like asking a fish to fly. People just seem to spot very quickly that I'm not somehow just a normal person. One thing I do like about Russia is even many of the NT's are a bit offbeat. The character is maybe more tolerant of odd-balls than, say, Germany or Japan.

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Nesf
11 hours ago, Dr-David-Banner said:

Some want the discussions to switch to English.

This is one thing that really irritates me when I want to practice the language I'm learning - as soon as they know that you are English, they automatically switch to English to you regardless what the original language of the conversation was. They have this assumption that because you are English, you must speak English and not any other language.

9 hours ago, HalfFull said:

I lost my work placement apparently for not fitting socially,

This happened to me on at least 1 occasion. For not fitting in, or for other difficulties related to ASD that affected my work.

5 hours ago, Dr-David-Banner said:

For maybe 3 years I survived but mainly because there were very few native English teachers. Also being a foreigner made the Spanish more inclined to overlook my defects.

This is how I survive now too.

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The group sort of told off the woman who attempted the language coup by quoting forum rules. Namely that Russian is the site language. Even so I don't mind her practising her English and don't want to hog the whole opportunity. So she's posting first in Russian and then in English below to practise. Fine by me. I did find it very strange she thought my Russian was so similar to her autistic son's, she thought I was him. Of course I use search engines to check my constructions. It's mostly correct but not how people really talk.
The women asked two questions. One asked if I'd explored Schizoid Personality as a diagnosis. I looked it up and a lot of it fits especially the solitude and lack of emotion. Still I have a fair few AS traits such as noise sensitivity, motor issues, the non verbal language issue. Not so much stims although I do have awkward body movements. My strongest and most traumatic traits are the waves of feeling alienated and disassociated. I get this on and off.
They are curious about empathy. To explain this in Russian is going to be tough. I think the whole thing has been misunderstood. In my case, in some things I can empathise. What I can't do is "tune into" a certain group feeling at a given time. That is, knowing when I ought to act in the expected way. I do know some psychotic criminals felt nothing when shooting their victims and some psychologists link this to the autistic empathy situation. I don't think it's the same at all. I was watching the James Bond View To A Kill where the psychopath villain Drax just shoots someone with no emotion. It sort of confuses people. Maybe they fear those who don't feel the same as they do. For example if someone gleefully tells me some footballer has scored a goal and "didn't he do well?", then I couldn't give a stuff. I'm not connected to that situation or bothered by the outcome.

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6 hours ago, Dr-David-Banner said:

I do know some psychotic criminals felt nothing when shooting their victims and some psychologists link this to the autistic empathy situation. I don't think it's the same at all.

Not the same at all - psychopaths feel no emotion at all so don't have the ability to empathize, people with ASD do feel emotion, often too much and are easily overwhelmed by it, and often react emotionally in a different way to NTs.

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On 04/09/2017 at 9:30 PM, Dr-David-Banner said:

Hmnnmn, the mothers certainly don't pull punches. Some want the discussions to switch to English. One of the mothers has a high functioning autistic son who evidently constructs sentences like me. So she thought I was her son and had joined to "infiltrate" for fun. I don't doubt my Russian will be a bit odd for them but I need to practise too!! I think the best option is a 50/50 mix. Odd thing is the mothers speak weird trendy Russian you'd use in real life. Mine is derived from books on Perestroika where I picked up old words and use of participles (bookish format). Funny though how her AS son shares my sentence structure. Maybe he reads a lot of old books and listens poorly to spoken language.

Your sentence structure looks just like loads of others I know off different forums. The suspected aspires who I've also met in person. Actually - I see almost all aspie sentences and paragraphs etc, as similar. 

Reckon I can tell an aspie just from the written.

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They are very into diagnosis specifics. They're not sure if the kids can be accurately diagnosed at 13. Of course I'm not a psychologist. I can apply autism traits to myself and draw conclusions but I'm not sure how it is with other people. Besides I think what's important is management of the condition. The diagnosis is hard to pin down. It would be easier to just print a list of the likely symptoms.

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Russian mothers of autistic kids seem to have been left speechless. As an example of empathy I described an occasion after my grandmother passed away. The family was packing up lots of stuff as it had been a rented house. Upstairs I recall I found a newspaper dated 1963 or around. As I was working I switched on a CD player and it was fast, dance music. Well, my aunt reacted in a hurt manner and stated this wasn't the time for loud music. Of course, then it dawned on me and I realised my gran was gone and people were in mourning. Years later I asked myself why didn't I know at the time there are right and wrong ways to act at certain times. I use this example as the reality is my gran always has a special place within me and the apparent lack of empathy wasn't quite as it seemed. I think it was more the feelings not tuned in somehow to others.
Also, in the case where schizoid personality was suggested, I looked it up and schizoid types aren't usually interested in sex and are low on feelings. I can actually have sexual encounters although former partners noticed the lack of any feeling. For me sex was just a kind of workout scenario and the feeling part is absent. These days too I just don't bother with sex at all. So in many ways I do fit Schizoid type as well as AS.

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By the way, I have in my time read carefully the profiles of some criminals diagnosed with stuff like schizophrenia, MPD, BPD or aspects of autism. I do not agree with the many psychologists (Baron Cohen included) who connected Asperger empathy issues as a possible first stage to disregard of human life (in psychotics). You can have different empathy mechanisms but a strong moral compass. I don't even kill spiders when I'm painting. I always say the badly adjusted and distrusted loner is a long way off the presumed criminal profile. Some of the worst killers were married men with jobs and popular.

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I think maybe the site was very quiet as is the case these days with most forums. Being English, I guess I inspired a surge of interest from sleeping members. And they all love to practise their English. One Moscow female yet again broke the forum rules and used English. She wrote:
"Have you ever seen the documentary ''make me normal" about the biggest school in Britain for ASD (РАС)? "
In Russian PAC means AS. I can see at some point the women using English will land me in the shit with the moderators. Those mums that don't know English will at some point complain as they don't follow the threads. Added to that, my Russian is an overly complex grammatical nightmare that gave some headaches.

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