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This is something that made an impact because, one or two times, Asperger mentioned he could see visible autistic traits in the parents of his patients. If you think about it, autistic traits by themselves can push an individual well off the neurotypical standard. There is also the old saying that to really succeed you need a "dash" of autism. So, I got to wondering that funnily enough, Arnold Schwarzenegger lived in the same geographical area where Asperger had his clinic. Those kids were German speaking Austrians, of course. Here are some facts that may surprise people about Arnold: In my view he definitely had major empathy issues and struggled to reciprocate emotions. As a kid, Arnold had bad posture and was noted for awkward motor movement. He rejected team sports and chose bodybuilding. His fanatical devotion to that one sport meant people took second place. Someone recalled when Arnold started to train in Gratz, the other bodybuilders avoided him as weird. He trained with his mouth open and eyes closed. One athlete recalls him approach and state robotically,."Hello, my name is Arnold Schwarzenegger and I want to do bodybuilding!" Moreover, girls tended to consider Arnold was creepy and self absorbed. One rejected his request for a date and replied she couldn't tolerate posing and flexing in the mirror. Interesting question is how steroids might have impacted on the situation. So, there are grounds to assume Arnold had the following autistjc traits:.empathy (alexithymia), mild motor impairment (vastly improved by sport), narcissism, special interest and the fact he felt misunderstood and different. However, by contrast Arnold was not "feeble minded" as Asperger put it, he developed adequate social skills and seemed to overcome his childhood introversion. That said he definitely struggled with the finer points of friendships. I suspect people like Arnold have pronounced autistic traits but fall short of a full autism spectrum disorder. I think Asperger himself knew how to recognise traits and he also drew distinctions between severe and less severe autism. On a personal note I can fully identify with the following traits Schwarzenegger had:.Fanatical special interests, dislike team sports, narcissism, unable to react to feelings or show much feeling, robotic expression, least favoured sibling. However, I lack ability to gain social acceptance, have deeper and more destabilising autistic traits so sadly I am unlikely to socially successful. Asperger also clarifies that only very few of his patients can go on to huge success. I fear my lot is to remain disconnected from the real world, struggling to be understood and unattractive to neurotypical females. In terms of basic anthropology, most females seek partners who are stable and able to support a family and so on. At least in some ways autistic traits must be a better playing deck than full blown autism.

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Peridot
On ‎6‎/‎8‎/‎2018 at 12:19 AM, Dr-David-Banner said:

 I fear my lot is to remain disconnected from the real world, struggling to be understood and unattractive to neurotypical females. In terms of basic anthropology, most females seek partners who are stable and able to support a family and so on. At least in some ways autistic traits must be a better playing deck than full blown autism.

In response to the bolded part... You'd think that they'd be but I knew a woman who chose to be with an abusive alcoholic for instance. There's also a famous ASMR girl who has an "ex" in other words who has someone as part of her harem that is an...ape? Evil ape? Not sure how to describe the guy. Recently more footage of this guy "leaked" and I just couldn't stand seeing it. The guy is not a "stable provider" but a monster.

There's also this other woman on the internet... She said that her dream was to have a "real alpha male" who was dominant and would lead in the relationship. But what she valued over that was monogamy/the knowledge that the guy wouldn't "cheat" which alphas are prone to do. So she went on to say that considering that, she had to go with the second choice which was a "beta male" with alpha male traits.

So a lot of women are kind of...odd. And stupid.

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9 hours ago, Peridot said:

In response to the bolded part... You'd think that they'd be but I knew a woman who chose to be with an abusive alcoholic for instance. There's also a famous ASMR girl who has an "ex" in other words who has someone as part of her harem that is an...ape? Evil ape? Not sure how to describe the guy. Recently more footage of this guy "leaked" and I just couldn't stand seeing it. The guy is not a "stable provider" but a monster.

There's also this other woman on the internet... She said that her dream was to have a "real alpha male" who was dominant and would lead in the relationship. But what she valued over that was monogamy/the knowledge that the guy wouldn't "cheat" which alphas are prone to do. So she went on to say that considering that, she had to go with the second choice which was a "beta male" with alpha male traits.

So a lot of women are kind of...odd. And stupid.

I think that it's due to education. Girls grow up with stereotypes which are amplified depending on their culture, their families. For some, they don't live in an environment which enables them to open their mind and think by themselves. The behaviours you noticed below could be also due to being unwell (for instance, because of a lack of love in their childhoods). So (no offence) I find that it's too easy to conclude that "a lot of women are kind of...odd. And stupid".  

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I did once notice that lots of deranged serial killers were married. I mean, these were human beings who had no conception of the value of life. This is where I sense serious misunderstandings of empathy. There's a difference between the autistic whose dependency upon feelings is low and a criminal psychopath who has no regard for life. Anyway, back in the sixties the producers of Star Trek had the idea of creating Mr Spock out of an autistic extreme. Spock's morals are based on pure logic and feelings are irrelevant. Although crew Doctor McCoy is often horrified by Spock's  lack of empathy, Spock is no monster or danger to others. The other week I was reading Asperger's essays and he stated he was shocked to have witnessed autistic children use other children as if they were objects. This was basically leaning on someone like a prop and not being aware of personal space, instinctive limits and social norms. From that, Asperger often started to deduce all that behaviour represented a latent threat. Personally I think with severe autism you just can't copy and interpret social rules, more so in childhood. Funnily enough too, I once recall while on a coach trip to France, there were two girls sat behind me. Without any explanation or even a word spoken, they decided to use my shoulders and neck to rest their feet. Given both girls were pretty attractive I just let them carry on. Later on in life I discovered I am really too closely wired to females to represent a gender based attraction. What I have now is female friends who keep in touch and like to talk. Most of these have light autistic traits but their own families.

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Peridot
On ‎6‎/‎9‎/‎2018 at 11:44 AM, Joie6 said:

I think that it's due to education. Girls grow up with stereotypes which are amplified depending on their culture, their families. For some, they don't live in an environment which enables them to open their mind and think by themselves. The behaviours you noticed below could be also due to being unwell (for instance, because of a lack of love in their childhoods). So (no offence) I find that it's too easy to conclude that "a lot of women are kind of...odd. And stupid".  

Je suis d'accord, Joie6. Les femmes ne sont pas étranges et stupides. Je me souviens de ce "thread" de l'année dernière!

 

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On ‎6‎/‎9‎/‎2018 at 6:11 PM, Dr-David-Banner said:

What I have now is female friends who keep in touch and like to talk. Most of these have light autistic traits but their own families.

Sounds nice. I used to have contact with a few women and it wasn't anything romantic or anything but we'd go for something to eat or have casual conversation and it was cool. No such such thing happening at the moment though. But that's OK.

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I know one guy who I suspect may be high functioning autistic. Dresses very smart like a continental. He is very polite and sensitive but also too nice which I find neurotypicals find creepy. Personally I quite like the guy and it bothered me to hear what women said about him when he left the shop. His mistake is to visibly stare at one of the women, at any time and to not be aware how obvious it is. Then, he is so quiet and polite and correct. So to the girls he is just weird. I heard one woman snap she'd never employ him in a million years and, indeed, the guy has no job. Very sad! The only advantage I have over him is that, given I couldn't care less what people think, I can make these women laugh if I want. As an example: deep down the women always sensed I was very apart from other guys. Lack of swearing and informal language and robotic manner. One day, one of these girls asked me to walk her home. She didn't want to walk alone in the dark and she lived just a 15 minute walk away. Naturally I agreed. Anyway, off we went and I chatted along the way. However, by the time we got to the avenue off the main road, the girl was a bag of nerves. She sort of stammered that she would walk the last couple of minutes to her door alone but thanks anyway. From that time on I teased her about it. I could get her to laugh over the incident and after it was very typical to walk her to her door. After her friend would ask me too. Having a sense of humour helped me a bit but really what creeps people out is the robotic, analytical aspect of some autists. In fact the only way I know to manage that is tl openly joke about it. Despite that one girl told me it took them ages to get used to me. She adds now they know me they got to like me. Despite that, I figure sexual attraction is very rare. Most women I know would feel more relaxed with a dockyard worker who swears like a trooper than a sort of quiet Mr Spock type. 

 

 

 

 

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@Dr-David-Banner How you seen this? It's someone discussing Elliot Rodger's dating profile on OkCupid.

 

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I wonder if any others actually find some of Elliot Rodger's observations funny? Although the whole incident was tragic, there were certain comic elements. When he looked at the camera and addressed all the girls in California, stating, "I can't see what it is you girls don't see in me!"

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This was a cocktail of Asperger Syndrome, acute narcissism, dodgy website indoctrination and spoiled upbringing. If you listen to Elliot talk, his focus is on social values and interaction. Nobody spelled it out to him that sexual attraction is to do with relating to others or just being the same. At the subconscious level most females seek someone to create a family. They seek normality because normality = stability. Someone who is maybe very creative tends to also be unstable or unpopular so the irony is they either have short marriages or just wind up isolated. Anyway the worst thing you can do is just dwell on social issues and rules around socialising. 

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