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Alice
On 10/13/2019 at 12:34 PM, RiRi said:

Greta does seem very intelligent but I'm afraid you are right about she not being able to control how she looks to the public. She's like never smiling and the way she gives speeches seems like she's angry and like she's always reading. She should memorize her speeches to the letter. Or maybe she's just doing that as a tactic so she doesn't make too much eye contact. She could also fix her facial expressions by looking at herself in the mirror. I was so excited when I read an article about her doing good things for climate change but kind of sad to see her facial expression when expressing herself. People know she's autistic and I feel like people, once again, are getting the wrong picture of autistic people. Not all of us look like that when giving a speech.

I really disagree with this - this is autism discrimination. Plenty of autistic people have difficulty controlling facial expressions, have facial tics, or just dont conform to the socially accepted facial expressions, especially when getting sensory overwhelm (like when giving global speeches..) - they should still be accepted just as they are by people/society and able to pursue their dreams and goals without hatred, bullying, and discrimination. People know shes autistic, and need to get over it and understand she doesnt mean what those expressions 'normally' mean. Saying she should try harder misses the point - its just the same as telling someone to suppress their stims. The high pressure to always be conforming to NT standards, to be perfectly 'masking' (imitating a neurotypical) - is doing double the work, effort and stress and is exactly what leads to autism burnout. Its also why there is such a high unemployment rate, university dropout, and suicide rate - a lack of accepting autistic people for how they are.

But no-one tells Kodi Lee that he should change his face and expressions to be accepted and able to follow his dreams, so its either bias/lack of understanding around some autistic symptoms and not others or just a sexist thing - or that Greta is challenging those in power benefiting from the current toxically capitalistic economy. "Noone is more hated than he who speaks the truth" - Plato.

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Kuribo
18 hours ago, Alice said:

I really disagree with this - this is autism discrimination. Plenty of autistic people have difficulty controlling facial expressions, have facial tics, or just dont conform to the socially accepted facial expressions, especially when getting sensory overwhelm (like when giving global speeches..) - they should still be accepted just as they are by people/society and able to pursue their dreams and goals without hatred, bullying, and discrimination. People know shes autistic, and need to get over it and understand she doesnt mean what those expressions 'normally' mean. Saying she should try harder misses the point - its just the same as telling someone to suppress their stims. The high pressure to always be conforming to NT standards, to be perfectly 'masking' (imitating a neurotypical) - is doing double the work, effort and stress and is exactly what leads to autism burnout. Its also why there is such a high unemployment rate, university dropout, and suicide rate - a lack of accepting autistic people for how they are.

But no-one tells Kodi Lee that he should change his face and expressions to be accepted and able to follow his dreams, so its either bias/lack of understanding around some autistic symptoms and not others or just a sexist thing - or that Greta is challenging those in power benefiting from the current toxically capitalistic economy. "Noone is more hated than he who speaks the truth" - Plato.

Excellent post. I agree entirely. Greta should be no more expected to fake her body language than a wheelchair-bound person would be to crawl up a flight of stairs. Besides, when it comes to the subject of large corporations wilfully destroying the natural environment for a profit, bribing elected officials to let them get away with it, and bankrolling misinformation campaigns intended to keep the public scientifically ignorant, what is there to smile about? Why shouldn't she be angry?

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RiRi
On 10/14/2019 at 4:45 PM, Alice said:

I really disagree with this - this is autism discrimination. Plenty of autistic people have difficulty controlling facial expressions, have facial tics, or just dont conform to the socially accepted facial expressions, especially when getting sensory overwhelm (like when giving global speeches..) - they should still be accepted just as they are by people/society and able to pursue their dreams and goals without hatred, bullying, and discrimination. People know shes autistic, and need to get over it and understand she doesnt mean what those expressions 'normally' mean. Saying she should try harder misses the point - its just the same as telling someone to suppress their stims. The high pressure to always be conforming to NT standards, to be perfectly 'masking' (imitating a neurotypical) - is doing double the work, effort and stress and is exactly what leads to autism burnout. Its also why there is such a high unemployment rate, university dropout, and suicide rate - a lack of accepting autistic people for how they are.

But no-one tells Kodi Lee that he should change his face and expressions to be accepted and able to follow his dreams, so its either bias/lack of understanding around some autistic symptoms and not others or just a sexist thing - or that Greta is challenging those in power benefiting from the current toxically capitalistic economy. "Noone is more hated than he who speaks the truth" - Plato.

11 hours ago, Kuribo said:

Excellent post. I agree entirely. Greta should be no more expected to fake her body language than a wheelchair-bound person would be to crawl up a flight of stairs. Besides, when it comes to the subject of large corporations wilfully destroying the natural environment for a profit, bribing elected officials to let them get away with it, and bankrolling misinformation campaigns intended to keep the public scientifically ignorant, what is there to smile about? Why shouldn't she be angry?

I never said that she should smile or anything, when I said she should memorize instead of reading it, I said it because she would look more professional doing that, rather than her sentences being choppy and seeming as if she's exaggerating her facial expressions. I know it's possible to talk calmly about something and that was my suggestion. She seems to be forcing her facial expression. I've yet to see how she looks normally not doing the speeches, to see if she's permanently with that exaggerated angry facial expression. I suspect she doesn't always look like this. I know some people are capable of having a more neutral facial expression (see, not smiling) when they know enough about the subject.

I don't know who Kodi is but I assume he's also autistic and is more accepted by society, I can't comment on him/her because I don't know what's the situation with him.

I guess it might actually be a cultural thing, @Alice I seem to agree with you that some autistic traits just can't be controlled. I seemed a while ago that the administrator thought the opposite. Also, I've learned that changing doesn't happen over night, it takes time. And I've actually encountered autistic people, I saw them in flesh, in person, and it looks like some forget things they are told and continue to do certain things even though they've been told to not go there (metaphorically). What I don't agree with is with abiding to society, we have to abide to some extent, you know this as it seems like you have abided as well. 

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